including air defence systems. now on bbc news, hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i m stephen sackur. last month, president biden told americans the covid pandemic was over. a striking statement, given that us covid deaths are still running at an average of close to 400 a day. the overall covid death toll in the states has topped 1 million. on many measures, america s pandemic performance has been relatively poor. my guest is the soon to retire chief medical adviser to president biden, dr anthony fauci, the scientist at the centre of america s covid storm. what lessons has he learned? dr anthony fauci in bethesda, maryland, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. it s good to be with you. it s great to have you on the show. now, let s start with that big statement by president biden. the pandemic is over, he declared. do you agree with that view? well, certainly, if you re talking about the pandemic as a widespread disease throughout the world, it s not over. what the president was re
been relatively poor. my guest is the soon to retire chief medical adviser to president biden, dr anthony fauci, the scientist at the centre of america s covid storm. what lessons has he learned? dr anthony fauci in bethesda, maryland, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. it s good to be with you. it s great to have you on the show. now, let s start with that big statement by president biden. the pandemic is over, he declared. do you agree with that view? well, certainly, if you re talking about the pandemic as a widespread disease throughout the world, it s not over. what the president was referring to. but it s understandable how there could have been some varied interpretations of that. he was referring to the very fulminant phase of the outbreak when, for example, in the united states, we were having about 800,000 to 900,000 infections a day and up to 3,000 to 4,000 deaths per day. we are not at that point now. we re much better off, but technically speaking, we still are in
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