with diabetes. but the impact his life had on music. reading the obituaries what strikes me is that this guy was important not just in the music business, but in the culture. he desegmeregated that show. he was the first show to have black teenagers appear on it. he said the only time he got swe sweaty palms in an interview was when he interviewed a black american youth. he talks about that integration, you don t get the sense that this was a big planned out, plotted out strategy. no. it was just one of those thing that is no. joe levy is with us this morning. it s nice to have you. we ve had lots of conversations and opportunities to talk. of course, the editor of billboard magazine. let s start with the desegregation, when dick clark tells the story of sweating through his first interview because he had invited black teenagers to dance on american bandstand, the show was obviously about young people dancing. how big of an impact was that? it was a big deal