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Transcripts for MSNBC Andrea Mitchell Reports 20240604 17:20:00

of the background and context for this today. yes, ma am. joining us now, raf sanchez in kharkiv, barry mccaffrey and ben rhodes. raf, what s the reaction from kyiv? reporter: andreandrea, the ukraines are thrilled but they are also relieved this game of diplomatic chicken has come to an end. there has been enormous frustration here in ukraine, among officials and just ordinary people at what they have seen as the western alliance going in circles on this issue of tanks. we heard from president zelenskyy a little while ago. this was after the chancellor made his announcement about german tanks but before president biden spoke. zelenskyy said he was deeply grateful for these tanks being supplied to ukraine. he said the key question is the one that you put to john kirby just now. how soon can these tanks be on

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Transcripts for MSNBC Andrea Mitchell Reports 20240604 17:47:00

that would prompt an audit. reporter: i m sure you are right. joining us now is a congresswoman born in ukraine. your reaction to president biden s decision to send those abrams tanks to ukraine that president zelenskyy is wanting. it will take a while. thank you for having me. as i said before, it s a good and positive move. as always, it takes a while. we had this discussion months ago. it will take some training. it will take some equipment. it will take a few months more. it s a very serious war. the only way we can stop this crazy situation and escalation of this war and be more agile and faster, and it takes too long to do things like that. it hurts our national interests and it hurts a lot of people

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Transcripts for MSNBC Andrea Mitchell Reports 20240604 17:31:00

thought when we knew only about president trump taking documents and refusing to give them back. now we know there s a systemic problem, both administrations. they had protocols in place. they clearly didn t work. something needs to be fixed apart from the special counsels. the system of classification and protecting documents is something that has to be addressed. charlie, how much of this document revelation by mike pence is about getting any potential political land mines out of the way ahead of any 2024 run? he is just doing his duty. i don t think merrick garland has much of a choice about appointing a special counsel. susan is right. this is clearly a systemic problem. it s important to keep in mind the distinctions between the biden case, the trump case and the pence case. distinctions involving whether the documents were removed and retained intentionally and whether or not there was an effort to obstruct the

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Transcripts for MSNBC Andrea Mitchell Reports 20240604 17:00:15

Transcripts for MSNBC Andrea Mitchell Reports 20240604 17:00:15
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Transcripts for MSNBC Andrea Mitchell Reports 20240604 17:34:00

during the years i was in the white house for eight years, a lot of the sensitive intelligence started to migrate from printed out documents to ipads. it may be that they need to cut down on paper flow, because this stuff is digitized, you can put it on a machine and you can know where that machine is. it has a signature. i m sure that s one of the things that they might be considering is just cutting down on the pieces of paper that seem to be floating around. just to drill down on that for a moment, because we understand president biden reads things off an ipad, the presidential daily brief. the former president trump s daily brief was on an ipad. they would print big bullet points on paper, because he wasn t a big reader, isn t a big reader. it doesn t explain why there s paper around and why it s not tracked better. my experience, andrea, is they switch the presidential daily briefing which i received from paper to ipads.

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