work that podesta group was doing on behalf of ukrainian clients is really troubled human rights folks and former american diplomats. they were trying to convince the lawmakers that the ukrainian electricities were above board, clean and good election. while it happened, podesta group clients had political opponents in prison. propaganda peddling that deeply frustrated human rights a activists and people who cared about good government in ukraine. some of that goes to lot of things in washington that may be legal or on the line that could disgust the average observer and investigator digging into it, regardless of policy. shelby holliday, betsy wood rough, thanks again.
question we had. he was receptive to coming wack it answer further questions but it was a very productive session. today the house voted 419-3 for new sanctions to punish russia for meddling in the 2016 election. the bill prohibits president trump from removing any of the penalties without congressional approval. it ll now go to the senate where it is expected to pass. joining us now, betsy wood rough, ron plain pack wiback wi. ron, what do you make of this exchange tonight where subpoenas from your old committee, judiciary committee, manafort gets subpoenas and starts complying by producing documents at least at this stage? lawrence, something we see on capitol hill through the years. you saw it when you worked up there. a frustrating process. i think to the public because it is slow. and people want to see paul manafort. see him in public answering these questions. but i think the committee is taking it step by step.
i found him to be straight forward, forthcoming. i wanted to answer every question we had. he was receptive to coming wack it answer further questions but it was a very productive session. today the house voted 419-3 for new sanctions to punish russia for meddling in the 2016 election. the bill prohibits president trump from removing any of the penalties without congressional approval. it ll now go to the senate where it is expected to pass. joining us now, betsy wood rough, ron plain back with us. ron, what do you make of this exchange tonight where subpoenas from your old committee, judiciary committee, manafort gets subpoenas and starts complying by producing documents at least at this stage?
seems to dismiss it. yeah. i can assure you there s more evidence even than the evidence that s been out there. i m sure there s a lot of stuff that the administration has not wanted to release but will do so in private briefings. so i mean he will have to look at all of this. and how could he reverse it? well, let s say the russians come back and ask for 35-ask for those 35 people to come back to their posts. i suppose he can issue an order that they should be. i have a feeling he is not going to do that. so i think this is he s probably going to let this one stand. but, you know, he s he prides himself on doing the unexpected, so we ll have to see. we will have to see. former ambassador christopher hill. thank you so much for your insights and your time today. thank you. joining us to talk more about the sanctions against russia and the presidential transition is betsy wood rough, politics reporter for the daily beast, and larry sab toe is
both the u.s. house of representatives and the u.s. senate. they all think it is a big thing. so this is just another indication of the massive change that we re going to experience in the united states on january 20th. betsy though quickly to you, if donald trump though were to accept the finding of the u.s. intelligence community, would that in fact be him accepting also the questions about his legitimacy with regards to his win for the presidency? i don t think it would, and that s because these russian hacks that occurred didn t actually affect the way that votes were cast. we know conclusively, the intel community has said as conclusively as possible that russian actors did not manipulate the number of votes that were cast. what they did was present information that otherwise would not have been available that may have influenced the way some people thought about the election, but they didn t actually change the way the voting passed. that means, look, people can decide to vot