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everyone i ve talked to today has said we don t think it s necessary. brian, we haven t engaged in waterboarding since 2004. we haven t had detainees in black sites since 2006 since president bush, not president obama, president bush emptied those black sites. we ve been able to protect our country for a decade out those black sites and without harsh interrogation techniques precisely because we ve had well-resourced, well-planned, sophisticated counterterrorism plans. to go back to the wall for a minute, if we had $14 billion to protect the country, i think the lasting thing that intelligence professionals would do is put it into a concrete wall. they would give it to the cia and other intelligence agencies to try to keep our country safe. to our guests, thank you for tonight. we re going to keep going on the subject of the cia, what the president said about torture, what the president said about his speech at the cia this weekend. with that, we ll take our first

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