i want to read for you from this piece. it was from nbc. some other experts talking about the case, right, and why it seems as if this case ended the way that it did. and here s the assessment from some experts. while we can celebrate that justice was done here, if there hadn t been a video, these men probably would have gotten away with it. that was a former federal prosecutor, and then criminal defense attorney bernarda said travis mcmichael really didn t come off as credible. he knew ahmaud arbery was not armed, did not threaten him. he knew ahmaud arbery did not have anything in his pants. do you agree with their assessments, especially as we watched that video a little bit earlier as my colleague, cal perry, was speaking? the video that showed, front and center, what happened on that day. i do agree with both of them, particularly with bernarda villalona. i think both of those points are very strong.