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he was referring to the fact that the nsa, one of the leaks we have from edward snowed zen that the nsa, the national security agency, was listening in on phone conversations of world leaders, which by the way something that all spy agencies try to do. the u.s. has more capacity. as bernard kushner, the former foreign minister of france, said, look, we all try to do this stuff, we re all a little jealous that america does it better than we do. that was the reference. now, again, as president of the united states, you would not want to make fun of your government s your intelligence agency s normal activities, which is to monitor phone conversations of important people around the world to figure out what information you can provide to the president of the united states. and so it was a weird thing to do. merkel clearly didn t think it was funny. she didn t laugh. the reporters got it after a few minutes. but the whole thing is it s
we are back with our panel of very distinguished former diplomats. david miliband, bernard kouchner, radek sikorski. i want to pick up on something you talked about, radek. what do you worry about if donald trump were elected as a polish politician and patriot? that he is the kind of man who, first of all, seems to be an admirer of president putin, and secondly, who doesn t seem to have much respect or concern for america s long-standing allies. in poland, we have a principle that every u.s. administration learns russia afresh, but i think in a trump administration, the price for that tutoring paid by america s allies would be particularly high.
their minds. in new york, david miliband, who was britain s foreign secretary. he now runs the international rescue committee. in london, bernard kushner, he was france s foreign minister, also founder of doctors beyond borders. in warsaw, radek sikorski was poland s foreign minister. he s now at the center for strategic and international studies, and the country s foreign secretary and now dean of the school at the national university of singapore. let me start with you. you re furthest away. you follow this closely. what do you make of the mood in the united states? well, i think i would say the whole world is shocked that a country, the most advanced democracy in the world, can produce a candidate like donald trump. and frankly, you know, our good
rebuild the international system, not to undermine it or create a parallel system. and secondly, i think in tactical terms, that creates an opportunity for the u.s. to try to wean the chinese away from their reliance on their russian ally and to create some more balance in the international system. the reasons that radek sikorski has set out and no doubt my other colleagues will do so as well, and it s absolutely essential because the international system at the moment is not working as a system, it s not being properly led on a range of issues, not just security and economics and international humanitarian, but also on health and other issues. bernard, let me ask you again, you are the third foreign minister. radek and david also worked with hillary clinton. what do you make of her as a person, as a secretary of state, and could she take on the kind of challenges david miliband is describing? yes. i had the pleasure for years.