republicans who said, no way to a clean debt ceiling. so i am told staff discussions will continue today, in a couple hours, looking to get underway. and early next week, the four leaders will sit down together, we are told, to try and get something on the table here. julia, thank you. i will let you go, but we are gonna be talking about you in the next segment, because you had a remarkable exchange with senator tommy to brown, thank you for being with us. nbc s julie tsirkin, alone, a capitol hill. all, right the former captain football coach in alabama senator tommy to berm has been trying to explain itself all week after criticizing the pentagon s efforts to rig the armed forces of right white nationalists. his predecessor, the former senator doug jones is substantially clear on his views about white nationalists. he took on the kkk as united states attorney before becoming the first democrat elected to the united states senate for alabama in 25 years. he joins me, next on velsh
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