The lunch epicenter for the National Interests, better than the atlantic council. To top off the excellent lunch we have a great dessert, ambassador john herbst is with us today. The future of ukraine, Ukraine Russia relations. We couldnt have a better speaker to address this issue. John has not only served as the Us Ambassador to ukraine but followed ukraine, the ukraine related issue for many years in his current capacity, running his European Program at the Atlanta Council and having a real in depth understanding for, lets call it eastern priority and Central Asian affairs not only served in ukraine but is pakistan if i am not mistaken but he told me one of his first jobs after leaving the state department was running a program called dealing with complex problems at the National Defense the state department trains you for dealing with complex problems. Without further a do im going to ask john to begin. As traditionally the case, this is being filmed by cspan, we are not following