impeachment in 1868. so much remains to be worked out between senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and minority leader chuck schumer. the less they can agree on in advance, the more it will place manufacture sis on the role of chief justice john roberts. so what are some of the key trial issues that will need to be resolved? joining me now is hilary hurd, pursuing a j.d. at harvard law school receiving a masters degree at cambridge, kings college, undergraduate and uva and 2013 a marshall scholar. a contributor for law fair and co-authored this piece along with benjamin witis. thanks for being here. must there actually be a trial? good morning, michael. thank you so much for having me. yes. the senate rules presume a trial will occur. that said, it doesn t have to be a long trial with all the bells and whistles attached and with
observers of the russia investigation have generally under stood of special counsel robert mueller s work as focusing on at least two separate tracks, collusion of the russian government and the potential obstruction of justice on the other, but what if the obstruction was the collusion or at least part of it? joining me now is barbara mccoy, former u.s. attorney and an msnbc contributor and msnbc legal analyst benjamin witis the editor in chief at lawfair who wrote that piece. benjamin, i want to start with you and i did read through and i recommend it to our viewers as it is quite lengthy as you lay out this argument. my question for you is to kind of explain why does it matter in the context of the mueller investigation that you think obstruction and collusion are part of the same track? yes. that s a very complicated question. let me try to distill it. first of all, there has always
all right. peter nicholas, wall street journal, thank you very much. absolutely fascinating interview. we greatly appreciate you being her to share all of the interesting contents with us. also, admiral stavridis, let us just say, thank you for your service, for all you have done for this country throughout your life. what you continue to do. we greatly appreciate it. let me also, i just want to say, as far as service goes, just for our viewers, benjamin had a great idea before the christmas break as the president was attacking the fbi day in and day out. he said that he thought a good thing to do would be to actually contribute to fbi agents association, which takes care of family members of fbi agents who have been slain or struck down in the line of duty. we re going to be putting something up hopefully in the coming seg. s to let you at lea segments.
i do nated. many others did as well. if you are sitting there wondering what can i do to help the fbi and the proud men and women being attacked be i the president of the united states every day, that s one thing you can do, help their families, the fbi agents association. now, back to willie. and benjamin witis will be with us later on in the show. in november we started delivering f-52s and 95-35 fighter jets. the president touts a delivery of quote f-52 fighter jets to norway. hey, willie, great news, he plays call of duty. f-52s, the best fighters in can the call of duty. i bet he has a head set. he s leak you, he plays the 7th graders and talks trash while he shoots them? talks trash to a 7th grader
fascinating about your piece is that when comey was talking to benjamin witis, he expressed concerns we he heard rosenstein had been selected as the deputy attorney general. why? comey is having lunch with his friend in march, ben wit tis and he says, it s great. you ve got a new deputy attorney general coming in, senate confirmed. this will be good. it will give you stability. comey says he s okay, a solid guy, but i have concerns. he s a survivor. this is a guy in rosenstein this guy is a bureaucratic survivor, he ll do what it takes. i think he had been one of the longest serving u.s. attorneys in the country. comey says to be a survivor, you have to make some compromises. what wit tis said that comey was saying was basically, if trump is asking me for my loyalty,