mccain. love having you on. i ve been wanting to talk to you about this since last night when this happened. the white house was blindsided by giuliani in that interview. you re a communications expert. how would you rate this performance? well, i m reminded of mark twain s great adage that telling the truth is so much easier. because you don t have to remember anything. part of the problem is, there s so many story lines that people are trying to keep up with. i just think the president is continuously putting the people who work for him in untenable positions to defend what he s saying. because it s clearly in fact, i ll just quote a new york times report that just came out that says that sources close to giuliani said mr. trump and his aides see lying to or misleading the news media as far less troublesome than lying to investigators. that s sort of the strategic shift they made now. lying to the press, that s okay because there s no sort of
that can be a bit of an echo chamber. and, you know, you could see the two of them sitting around saying, you know, we ve got to get ahead of this campaign finance thing. oh, i know, i ll go on fox and say you paid it. and then, you know, that ll get us square with campaign finance laws. perhaps the kind of thing you want like a young associate at your law firm to do a little double-checking on in whether that helps or hurts you legally. but i think giuliani genuinely believed he was helping their legal case by saying that trump made the payment. do you think the president thinks he helped the case? do you really think that? it s like with a lot of things with trump he gets an idea in his head, or someone brings him an idea. he says, yes, execute that. he likes the initial thrust of the argument. he likes the initial way it plays in the media, but then there s some blowback.
jesse: she also addressed medias skepticism about mr. trump s admission of election interference. speak with the president has acknowledged that multiple times before. he acknowledged it during the transition. he acknowledged it during a press conference in poland and he acknowledged it for a third time at a press event in poland. he has stated several times. one of the places where you seem to get very confused and it seems to happen regularly, the president hasn t said russia didn t metal. what he is saying is he didn t have an impact and it certainly wasn t with help from the trump campaign. jesse: dana, you brought up the point yesterday that mr. obama didn t want to say anything publicly about russian interference in october or november because he didn t want to be seen as publicly creating a lot of drama for political reasons. could he have not done something in the shadows? dana: yes, and it s possible they did. and that we don t know about it. could be something they aren
he is probably one of the only ones that could take the heat politically. still survive and get something on immigration. that hasn t panned out so far but it s also true that he could take the heat on this from the right if he chooses to lead on it. the bump stock thing is strange. october 2nd, that was the shooting. his justice department said they can t do anything about it until there s action in congress. i think the direction today, unless something has changed, was a little bit misplaced. juan: charles schumer, democrat leader in the senate, said trump is talking a good game but cutting the budget for two programs that would allow us to better record criminal with people records in the database. greg: it is the first i ve heard of it. i will have to think about it. my concern is that trust quotient which i brought up before. we sat here and offered six practical solutions that i think everybody could agree on. as far as i can tell, people who
disarray. that s the bottom line. i go back to the point which is i think the media was very complicit in this because they seized upon it like a mouse with cheese. they try to gobble it up. their bias towards president trump come at the time candidate trump. the minute he was sworn in, more continuation of russian collusion in trump tower. the campaign, the russians. everything shifted to the next chapter, delegitimize the american presidency which is of course also playing into the hands of the russians. the media then became a pawn in this russian chess. juan: emails that were being covered were hillary s emails. greg: i was at the table, juan, saying we had a responsibility not to cover these. juan: but today you are