to spend over £500 million on fraud counter fraud to spend over £500 million on fraud counterfraud measures. hiring 2040 investigators. they re going to try to get on top of it but there is undoubtedly an issue for them and officials and politicians within the department for work and pensions are acutely aware this amount of public money then it reduces the opportunity for you to actually invest in a lot of the benefit claimants who could do with this money coming to them on different routes. remember, the chancellor decided not to keep the £20 universal credit top of that was introduced at the height of the pandemic, one of the reasons for not renewing that continuing that was because it was going to cost about £6 billion a year and yet the department are losing about £5 billion in fraud. billion in fraud. thank you very much. dame deborahjames has visited the chelsea flower show to see the rose named after her. the host of the you, me and the big c podcast revealed earlier th