with the option of making those calls. any time somebody dies for any reason it s hards to speak to those left behind. i can t imagine. not only president trump but past presidents have said this was always the hardest part of their job. i would say first of all when it comes to donald trump. i don t think he is always the most graceful with his words but to make an accusation that this had ill will. maybe he should have said it better. we don t know what was said. to think it wasn t a measure of good faith and trying to ease the grief, trying to comfort the family i think is ridiculous. jon: some agreement there from both of you. we have to leave the discussion there and let s hope we can end this arguing over combat deaths. it is pretty appalling. beverly halberg and ben kissel. thank you. melissa: a pharmacist on trial for murder. why his attorneys say he is not to blame for a deadly
the media and at democratic lawmaker who said he was disrespectful in the call, quoting the president s tweet. the fake news is going crazy with whacky congresswoman wilson who was secretly on a very personal call and gave a total lie on content. let s bring in our guests, ben and beverly hall brook is a heritage foundation fellow. ben, i don t know, how did we get here where we are taking phone calls from the president to those who are killed in combat, the families of those who were killed in combat, and turning them into a political issue? i have to say it s a personal pet peeve of mine when people are used as political props postmortem. it is unfortunate what s happening to the memory of these fallen soldiers who no doubt gave their lives defending this country and our
cop out. we were asked to do what we did on the show tonight what he did today. we have to be honest about the evil of racism and also a far left trying to tear down history and intimidate free speech in the country. that is not defending neo-nazis. i never said that. i think his statement yesterday was clear and strong and i think it was compassionate. i think he should have said it on saturday. i have no idea where he didn t. i ll tell you why he didn t say it on saturday which he made plain today because that s not what s in his heart. you can read a heart. you are a ph.d. shannon: brad blakeman and ben kissel. a little awkward there between a couple of big names on the conservative right. brad, they wouldn t be having this awkward debated he not taken those questions yesterday.
the whole truth. you re not. you re cowards. i completely agree, comedians should be able to push the line. it s what kathy griffin has done. it has caused her monetarily. tucker: she didn t cross the line. she was playing for her sanctimonious friends. it was like the nine people in her world were like, go, kathy, that is so brave! but it doesn t tell a truth about anything. it is like crap. [laughs] this is an opportunity for the right to stand up for the first amendment, allowing people to do this, allowed to protest kathy griffin all you want.or tucker: i m sorry, ben, that they have you captive over there. great to see you tonight. kathy griffin s beheading photo op was big news yesterday, you wouldn t be able to tell by watching cnn. joe concha watches cnn for a living and he writes about media for the hill. he joins us. this was a big story but not over there? it wasn t covered as much, nearly. it was embarrassing for cnn. granted, she is only on their once a year, b
sworn enemy of art. step out of line and you pay the price, as dave chapelle, who is a genius, learned when he returned from retirement long ago and dared to gore a sacred cow or two. that used to be what comedians did and we were grateful to hear someone tell the truth. now they are booed off the stage for daring to do that. humor is dead. politics killed it. ben kissel is a comedian. he joins us to mourn.n ben, i know we are not on the same side politically, i doubt any comedian agrees with my politics. but i think you ll agree, kathy griffin is just not funny. i know a lot of people who work in comedy, i don t know onee person who thinks kathy griffin is talented. she s not. yet, she has hung on all these years because she is a political activist. that s enough. it shouldn t be enough. i am not the core demographic for kathy griffin or her fan base her fan base and enjoys her. there s something to be said about that. i think it might be a misnomer because she is a comedian.