what was it? [ sighs ] i can t remember. top of the hour on cnn newsroom. good to have you along. i m victor blackwell. we re starting this hour with the questions of potential legal jeopardy for former president donald trump and his attorney john eastman. the january 6th committee made its most forceful case yet that trump was responsible for the capitol insurrection. this was their third hearing and the committee revealed evidence that trump and eastman knew that their plot to push then vice president mike pence to delay the certification of the election results was not legal but kept unrelenting pressure on pence anyway, with trump berating and cursing at him on the phone. listen to former trump white house lawyer eric herschmann on his conversation with john eastman. i said are you out of your effing mind, and that was pretty blunt. i said, you re completely crazy. you re going to cause riots in the streets. and he said words to the effect of there s been violence in
next hearing is on tuesday. this delay that is described by the justice department that way, the delay of transferring the transcripts from the committee from the testimony, what do we know about the requests, why the panel is not handing them over now? well, so far, you know, as manu just mentioned, the members of the committee have said, look, they re going to have to wait. we are doing our own separate thing, but this has real consequences for the justice department. already according to a court filing, they have had to delay the trial of a few members of the proud boys. this is the right wing extremist group that was a key part of breaching the capitol. according to prosecutors, they need to see these transcripts, including, you know, people who the committee has interviewed who are cooperating witnesses because they need to turn them over to the defense. of course, you know, before you go on trial, the defense has a right to see everything in the