susanne you don t think too much of this round up, why not? no we don t, jon. this is the department of interior rounding up thousands of our wild horses from public lands. these are symbols are american freedom, and they are being stampeded by helicopter, young foals, aged mares, heavily pregnant mares. they are all being stampeded together, captured and shipped off to the midwest where taxpayers are paying to house them on private lands. we now have in this country more wild horses in government holding facilities than are left free on the range. and this is costing taxpayers tens of millions of dollars. and it s costing our mustangs their freedoms and their lives. jon: bear rewe brought you in to give us the other side of theee kwaeus. why do you support this gather as it s called. reporter: we manage the pop we manage the populations of