actually been fighting the wagner group in bakhmut and for them wagner are the people who tortured and murdered captured ukrainian soldiers, but who also were formidable battlefield opponents. tell me, do you think this debt is going to make any difference or make any impact on the war in ukraine? well, look, some of the pro wagner social media channels are carrying these doctorates against the people who have done this, that sort of thing. there is a lot of rumour out there aboutjamming of there about jamming of communications there aboutjamming of communications in one or two areas where the remaining factory units are, including belarus. some suggestions that planes have been sent to belarus to take the soldiers out of there. it is a few thousand people probably that we are talking about in belarus. of course, if you