behave one way or the other. in our book we talk about culture as a process with four levels. the individuals nested in their daily interactions, nested institutions, nested in ideas. and as these are dynamic processes that we are a part of, we can also change them by being mindful about how cultures work and our part in them. dr. conner, you talk about th this clash. that s part of the catholic doctrine. they talk about this, something that paul ryan has been talking about. he argues that you need both. that solidarity alone leads to rank material i. subsidiary alone leads to individualism. how should the government play a role in out that balance, if at all in. i think we ve seen in our own politics. we have this battle of independence and interdependents.