lawmakers in north carolina may vote today on a plan to overturn the state s controversial bathroom bill, potentially end, the month-long standoff over the legislation. roy keeper announced late last night they had struck a deal on a plan to overturn house bill 2, or hb-2. that measure curbs legal protections for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people and sets rules that affects transgender bathroom use in public buildings. according to estimates it s cost the state millions of dollars in lost revenue. joining us in the udio, msnbc s cal perry. good morning to you, cal. what all is involved in this agreement? you have republicans, you have the governor and how did this law become really toxic enough for republicans to repeal it? the initial law was passed in march. it s costing, as you said, the state a lot of money. this is going to happen very fast. it s going to happen this morning. quickly, what is the new bim year looking at? it s going to repeal house bill 2, hb-2.
so, the case likely won t be decided before you graduate. i wonder what s happening in your high school now, given all the attention you ve gotten over this. are things difficult for you? i m adjusted to it now but it s definitely uncomfortable. any time you have a national conversation about your bathroom use and genitals, it s uncomfortable, and i m in a conservative area. but i have lots of support at that school as well, and i have supportive people that make a space for me, like the librarians and nurses in the nurse s office. i ve managed to find a way to get by. you use a private bathroom now, right? i do. i bet you wish that this weren t about bathrooms at all. i do. i wish we didn t even have to have a conversation about bathrooms. more broadly it s not necessarily only about bathrooms, it s the right for transgender people to exist in public spaces. if you don t have a bathroom, it s very very hard to get along in society and in public. do you feel like you ve b
thank you for coming on. thank you for having me. tucker: i believe whatever it is worth and politeness and decency in not making people can control, especially children. i have four. i believe in honesty. i want to get at exactly what this means. i am a 47-year-old man. i think that s pretty obvious. if i were to decide tomorrow that i was a 47-year-old woman, should i be allowed to go shower in a women s t locker room? the idea that there is no objective factors to be considered in who is transgender and how we determine bathroom use is really not the way that this works. the fact that these people make this decision after a lot of serious consideration. they see medical doctors. psychologists are involved. there is a lot to think about. it s not an easy process. as someone who s gone through that, you don t just decide tomorrow. not the way it works. tucker: what if i did decide tomorrow? and it was totally sincere. how would you know it was sincere or not quick thank only
i believe for whatever it s worth and politeness and decency and i m not making people uncomfortable, especially children, i have four. i also believe in honesty. i want to get exactly what this means, i m a 47-year-old man come i think that s pretty obvious. if i were to decide tomorrow if i were a 47-year-old woman, should i be allowed to go shower and women s locker room? the idea that there is no objective factors to be considered and who is transgender and how we determine bathroom use is really not the way that this works. the fact is that people makes this decision after a lot of serious consideration, they do see medical doctors, other psychologists involved. there s a lot to think about. it s not an easy process as someone who s gone through that i can tell you just don t decide tomorrow. that s on the way it works. tucker: what if i do decide tomorrow, and was totally sincere, how would you know whether it was a sin sincere or not, only i can make that decision and what i
this comes as the trump administration is rescinding federal protections for transgender students. gavin grimm joins us in studio. great to see you. great to be here. what did you think when you heard this week the trump administration was rolling back the protections that the obama administration put in place for transgender students? it was very frustrating. i don t think anybody was necessarily surprised. they had been saying they were going to. more importantly than any of that, it emboldened us to ramp up our efforts and keep fighting as hard as we have been. what is your life like? let s talk about what prompted this lawsuit and prompted everything. what was life like for you in high school with bathroom use and everything else? for a period of seven weeks after i came out my sophomore year, i used the men s room with no issue. things were fine. it looked like i would be supported as any other student was. obviously things didn t continue