bears responsibility for the attack on congress by mob rioters. so it was surprising when only two weeks later, mccarthy visited trump at mar-a-lago. say cheese! here s what the minority leader told his caucus about that pivotal meeting. kevin had told us something like oh, i just happened to be in florida, and he wanted to meet, so i was going to meet with him. no, that was an intentional meeting that took like the paddles that you see on the tv shows and resurrected donald trump back to life. and i think that one i think when history looks back, it will be kevin s meeting with donald trump which actually made him as immediate of a force as he was. he may have come back, but i think that was a very important meeting. republicans everywhere and every day since have been carrying trump s water about january 6. just yesterday, the state senator who led the charge to overturn biden s election in pennsylvania, doug mastriano launched his bid for governor.
for your loss. we appreciate you taking time out to come on the show tonight. thank you so much. thank you. . there are few academics who have watched the rise of global autocracy more closely than tim snyder. you heard me reading from his chilling subsat letter at the top of the hour. he is author of on tyranny: 20 lessons from the 20th century. he joins me now. tim, welcome back to the show. come 2024, you write of people shooting each other. you write of people, the military disobeying orders. you write of the stock market collapsing globally. is that you using hyperbole to make a point, or is that what you genuinely believe we are on course for as of right now, sunday, january 9th, 8:00 p.m. eastern. i think right now it s the most likely scenario, but it doesn t have to happen. and one way to prevent it from happening is to recognize it as a possibility. if we just think that america is
in fact, the tsunami of cases is so huge and quick that it is overwhelming health systems around the world. do you disagree with the head of the w.h.o., especially given omicron is overwhelming american hospitals right now, much more than it has european hospitals? what we re seeing is not so much a wave as a flash flood. omicron is different because it is so stunningly infectious. i ve never seen a virus this infectious. we re seeing positivity rates of 20, 30%. we re seeing what are called epidemic curves or the number of cases per day that are straight up, huge number of cases. and with that, the real risk of overwhelming hospitals. that s why it remains really important that we do everything possible to blunt transmission, so we don t have overwhelmed health care systems. that doesn t mean that omicron isn t very different. we don t know for sure, but everything we re seeing so far
organization. here we are in america living under the facade that this is a news channel of sorts. we need to stop calling it fox news and just call it fox. i think lawrence o donnell made that point a long time ago. we all need to follow in his footsteps. one thing i will say is the fox people that those on cnbc or cnn or the liberal media, we have contempt for red america, for fox viewers. no one has more contempt for fox viewers than fox hosts who say one thing in private, texting the president and the chief of staff saying this is bad on 1/6, and then publicly saying oh, it was all ant fault. it was all democrats. it was fine. it was peaceful. yeah, the hypocrisy is striking. it s a good point as well. they have contempt for their viewers. even when you take into consideration the fact that they re all vaxxed and pushing the agenda that they re not vaxed to the american agenda. good to see you. enjoy the rest of your evening evening. good evening to you. welcome to ayman on
police and armed forces will know neither who they should obey or whom they should arrest. with traditional authority broken, those wearing uniforms and baring arms will take sides and start shooting one another. governors will look for exit strategies for their states. americans will rush to parts of the disintegrating country they find safer in a protest that looks like ethnic cleansing. the stock market and the economy will crash. the dollar will cease to be the world currency. it is the starkest picture i ve seen painted yet by someone who studies these exact scenarios for a living. and in a moment, i m going talk to professor tim snyder about whether this is for real. because everyone knows i m someone who keeps warning about this. but even i have gone that far. to get to that dark point requires a rolling insurrection involving the likes of house minority leader and possible next speaker kevin mccarthy, who from the capitol on january 6 begged donald trump by phone to call off th