and you had a charismatic president who was basically guiding them on what to do and sending them in one direction. the idea this wasn t a potential threat or wasn t identified as big of a threat as it ultimately ended up being is really troubling and i think it s something the january 6th committee should look into closely because that s not something as these criminal cases go on, that the justice department is prosecuting, that s not a question that s going to be answered. the fbi isn t going to say hey, here s where where we screwed up. that s something that really falls to the legislative branch to answer those questions. a lot to discover because i think there are so many questions that remain around the commission and what exactly did happen and what the president did or did not know at the time on january 6th. ryan, malcolm, barbara, thank you so much for joining me. next the plan by texas republicans to stay in power by rigging the game. what can congress do about it? i
do have to rely on documents. if they can rely on signatures it may be a fair inference that donald trump had the knowledge and intent or it may be that they re never able to make out that case, but i doubt that they re at the end of the line just yet. it seems likely that they will continue to investigate and will take the case wherever the evidence leads them. tom winter, i hope it s not leading right to you. you ll be in the court, but as far as we know you re not being indicted today. monica alba, chuck rosenberg, barbara mccade, thanks to all. stay in touch, tom. and investigating january 6th. nancy pelosi rolls out her picks for the select committee including one very well known republican and her counterpart kevin mccarthy rolling out a major threat against the investigation. this is andrea mitchell reports only on msnbc.
and put them together for public hearings? yes, i think a lot of the depositions will eventually be released, but not everyone is going to have to testify publicly. and they are going to have the opportunity first to make the case in private instead of in the glare of the television. so i think that this is the way almost all investigations have taken place. and the republicans are making a process argument for one simple reason, they know they can t defend the facts. i mean, the facts are so simple. the president pressured zelanesky to investigate his political rival and withheld military aid. barbara mccade, we now know through the course of testimony there were lawyers involved. the washington post is reporting on john eisenberg and his request to alexander vindman not to talk about the trump-ukraine phone call that vindman was so concerned about that we ve all heard about. and i want to quote from the washington post the interaction
defend the facts. i mean, the facts are so simple. the president pressured zelanesky to investigate his political rival and withheld military aid. barbara mccade, we now know through the course of testimony there were lawyers involved. the washington post is reporting on john eisenberg and his request to alexander vindman not to talk about the trump-ukraine phone call that vindman was so concerned about that we ve all heard about. and i want to quote from the washington post the interaction between eisenberg and vindman suggests there was a sense among some in the white house that trump s call with zelensky was not as the president has repeatedly claimed perfect. eisenberg has been subpoenaed. we don t know whether he ll attend the deposition or not, but the fact is this is a lawyer for the national security council. what does this make you think? i think it s very concerning. we had already heard the information that john eisenberg, the lawyer, had taken the unusual step of co
relationships. when you use location technology, you can see where things happen, before they happen. with esri location technology, you can see what others can t. this is not just rogue rudy giuliani self-dealing in ukraine. he s an agent of the president. the president is his client. anything rudy giuliani does is on behalf of the president, so rudy giuliani is president trump. president trump is rudy. this is barbara mccade, msnbc legal contributor. john is back with us. barbara what happened to the criminal investigation of rudy giuliani today? well, i think it likely got stronger. i think that, as you said, if i