least mostly for people in washington d. c. to be paying attention to all these elections that are taking place outside the u.s.. i guess, in other words, what does sort of, what do all of these election mean to the international political order, professor? yeah. you, know the story that people don t know is that democracy reached its peak around the world in 2010. 2010. it s been declining ever since. so, the 20th century was the century of democracy. democracy almost did not exist in 1900. and by the end of the 19 hundreds, the assumption by people like me, who studied democracy was, that this was just, democracy was going to keep growing, and, going until eventually every country around the world was going to be a democracy. and then it stopped, it stopped in 2010 and it reversed. and the question is that people have to ask themselves is, why is this happening? and it s not just happening in indonesia, in india, in the philippines. but it s happening in the
killed by law enforcement committing violent crimes? those candidates campaigns would been over before they began. but with trump, we shrug. we accept it as just the way things are now. we should not. we cannot. we have to call it out. we have to condemn the violence and the incitement of violence. we have to take steps to prevent it from escalating out of all control. the threat of civil war of domestic conflict is no longer hyperbole. and so we just cannot afford to normalize political violence, and the threat of political violence in this country just because donald trump benefits from it and the republican party seems totally fine with it. here to discuss with me frank pig lucy, former assistant director of counter intelligence at the fbi in an msnbc national security analyst. barbara falter, professor university of california san diego, one of the leading or experts in civil wars and extremism. she s the author of the book how civil war.
barbara a moment ago i played that clip of florida congressman matt gaetz standing next to trump, van that only threw for skin you bring change in d.c.. how much does rhetoric like that republicans saying the quiet part out loud how much does that worry you, how much does that fit with your thesis? we have a name for people like that. we call them violent entrepreneurs. they trigger normalize violence, they trigger, they convince people that this is legitimate action. and what most people don t know is that they tend to stop in surges in civil, wars is not what most people think, it s not people who are oppressed and discriminated against. they don t have the capacity to rebel. if you look at over the hundreds of civil wars and insurgencies that have taken place over the last 100 years most of the ethically placed civil wars are people who who used to be dominant in a
estimated shift from 12 million to 18 million american adults. in a moment, i will speak to professor barbara f walter from the university of california who is an expert on civil conflict. author of the book how civil war start. she says we re closer to civil war than any of us would like to believe. so is it any wonder that during friday during a hearing regarding a protected order in the doj s election interference case against trump, judge tanya chutkan issued a stark warning to trump about witness intimidation. chuck and told the internees the even ambiguous statements could be considered an attempt to intimidate witnesses and would then trigger the court to take action. she is clearly worried and we all should be. i mean, can you imagine if any other presidential candidate and a recent decades, bush, romney, obama had multiple supporters using in getting