the fake elector scheme. then there is the foam pillow guy, mike. for lindell, pillow talk involves subverting democracy and subverting the will of the american people. like other trump associates in the weeks following don t trump s boston 2020 election, he crisscrossed the country spreading the big lie and other this information. just days after the violent insurrection at the capitol, he was spotted coming out of the white house holding a stack of notes about martial law. like his fellows, his anti-democratic claims are all fluff, no substance. this week, he revealed while in line at a harvey s drive-through fbi agents served him a warrant and seized his phone as a part of its investigation. here is why you should sleep on the story, the last primaries took place on tuesday, which means november s general elections are now set. this november, election deniers will be on the ballot in 27 states with dozens running for top positions like secretary of state, attorney general,
housing so that other homes will be shiny and perfect. they interpretation so that inflation will be low and stock prices will be high. to be a member of the working poor is to be an anonymous donor, a nameless benefactor, to everyone else. evaluate this for me. sounds right to me. having lived and witnessed it. of course, what barbara is doing there is flipping on its head the american myth that such people are watching off of the system, someone who is in need of some sort of assistance, a lot of people who take benefits in this country by the way are working and just can t get by on the wages that they are afforded, which is what this book documents. the myth that is perpetuated in this country, which exults capitalism, is that such people aren t working hard enough. they are lazy, if you can t make ends meet, there s something wrong with you.
situation and get out of poverty easily. it does. thank you for having me on. it is good to see you in person. i was honestly surprised that it was a band book too. i didn t realize that, i wondered if mine was. i think that people don t like to hear about how people use our government systems and our safety net programs to make ends meet. in a lot of people s minds, those are supposed to be temporary and not something that literally supplements the wages that people are earning because our minimum wage is so low for the last 20 years. let me ask you something, sarah. i want to start with a quote from nickel and dime that has been widely circulated with barbara s passing a few weeks ago. they re working for, as they are approvingly termed, are in fact the major philanthropists of our society. they neglect their own children so that the children of others will be cared for. they live in substandard
i felt seen. i would say that years on, decades on, the book does land differently. it is a different time. i would say that our level of sophistication as a society and culture are they intersect with class, it has involved. i think to that some readers have taken issue with barbara s temperament, it can be quite sharp and that is one of the things that made her a brilliant intellect. it is not a softly written book, which is fine by me. there are points out which perhaps the judgments that she levies strike me as potentially problematic now for a rider who came from a working class background and then was riding as a middle class woman if that makes sense. she had ownership of the space, but yet all the same she was sort of going into someone else s world by that point in her career. that sometimes feels a little problematic to me. interestingly, that was not the case for you stephanie.
type of work. when you are in it, all you feel is that you are like a leach that is sucking the life out of society in some way because i felt that every single moment that i wasn t physically working. sarah, both of you actually read this book and then read it later in life. does it land differently for you now, sara, after living the life that you ve lived? sure, to answer your question, i ll give you a little context for my first encounter with the book. i was raced among the working poor, i grew up on we farm in kansas. i ended up as a first year college student, and then in the very rare to find some space of one of my professors assign the book. i was sitting among students who did have firsthand experience of the world that barbara was talking about. i did, reading it alongside my peers, that was quite surreal. i felt very validated.