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they deal with gangsters all the time. but in this case you have a heightened sense of problems because these guys hate each other, and they ll use surrogates to get to each other. yeah. steve, we keep hearing that this may all have started over patches worn on bikers jackets. the bandidos gang apparently say this is part of texas and took offense to the cossachs wearing a texas patch. do you believe that? i believe that. territory is extremely important. anybody that s claiming a state they re claiming what goes on in that state. they re claiming ownership of it. and texas has always been a red and gold state. it s always been bandido controlled and for a group like the cossacks to step up to them it s basically like a slap in
shootings here in waco. jose? charles, thank you so much. we are expecting any minute now an update by authorities in the waco area on the latest on that investigation. we will be monitoring that for you. there you see the makeshift setup there where they are expecting officials to come out. no word on exactly when that s going to start, but we ll be keeping a close watch on that. let me bring in julian cher, he s written extensively on biker gangs, coauthor of angels of death. julian thanks for being with me. pleasure to be here. you say among the bad guys, biker gangs are the baddest of the bad, the department of justice say the banditos biker gang is involved in trafficking cocaine, marijuana and meth and this goes well beyond the u.s. borders, right? it does. i think people don t realize that biker gangs are america s crime export to the world.