what was their reaction? it was horror and long conversations for a week about whether there was any chance at communication between us or whether there was any connection that we had. and is there? ..going forward. is there communication today? they did. they chose that week, a decade ago, that they wanted to still be in communication. it was something that i appreciated, but it s never been close. it s always been calls on holidays and birthdays, sort of conversations that have always centred around the sort of bafflement that they have that they could even be close to somebody who didn t believe their world view. they try not to even be friends with people who do not exist within this movement that they lived in. your mother said, i think you need to find a new family. yeah. and yourfather said it would have been better if you hadn t been born.
i had to recognise that i still didn t want to condemn their belief system, even though i didn t believe it, because i didn t want to lose the community. and that was a moment that was. it sort of shattered my view of myself. when you publicly renounced your family and your past, what was their reaction? it was horror and long conversations for a week about whether there was any chance at communication between us or whether there was any connection that we had. and is there? ..going forward. is there communication today? they did. they chose that week, a decade ago, that they wanted to still be in communication. it was something that i appreciated, but it s never been close. it s always been calls on holidays and birthdays, sort of conversations that have always centred around the sort of bafflement that they have that they could even be close to somebody who didn t believe their world view.
of bafflement that they have that they could even be close to somebody who didn t believe their world view. they try not to even be friends with people who do not exist within this movement that they lived in. your mother said, i think you need to find a new family. yeah. and yourfather said it would have been better if you hadn t been born. mmm, yeah. that was their immediate reaction to writing a letter. i d written a letter condemning their world view and saying that i was sorry for everything i had done to advance it, and they saw me as, like, on the other side immediately because their world is one with people who are allies and people who are enemies, and i had just crossed over. a few years ago, around 2016, just at the point that you thought white nationalism was essentially on the way out, you see a resurgence. just describe that resurgence in the form it takes. yeah. when i had condemned it three years before that,
always centred around the sort of bafflement that they have that they could even be close to somebody who didn t believe their world view. they try not to even be friends with people who do not exist within this movement that they lived in. your mother said, i think you need to find a new family. and your father said it would have been better if you hadn t been born. mm, yeah. that was their immediate reaction to writing a letter. i d written a letter condemning their world view and saying that i was sorry for everything i had done to advance it, and they saw me as, like, on the other side immediately because their world is one with people who are allies and people who are enemies, and i had just crossed over. a few years ago, around 2016, just at the point that you thought white nationalism was essentially on the way out, you see a resurgence. just describe that resurgence in the form it takes. yeah when i had condemned it three years before that, and my initial desire was just
dana bash in his recent town hall whether he thought trump should be prosecuted here. now saying having read the indictment, these are very serious allegations, and i can t defend what is alleged. but the president is entitled to his day in court. he is entitled to bring a defense, and i want to reserve judgment until he has the opportunity to respond. that s a shift from what he was saying in that town hall, even if it s just a slight one. yeah, i can see you sort of looking for some differences there. but the truth is, at best, he is going to be careful, more careful than some others in the race. we ve heard another candidate talk about the idea that in some future scenario, if he was president, he would pardon donald trump of any conviction. there is a real bafflement by the sort of establishment republican base about how to deal with donald trump, that they ve experienced since 2015. it hasn t improved. and you see the struggle in the split answers from those in the senate versus