that could have happened inadvertently. having a pilot asking for a different altitude and being denied is common. there s a lot of airplanes in that part of the world flying at any one point in time, so that s common. but if you do see the airplane climbing and losing speed, that would indicate he was in an updraft. trace: and possibility this thing might have stalled. we keep going back to the air france crash in 2009 where they were in bad weather didn t know what air speed was and, in essence, the plane just stalled because the pilots couldn t figure out what was going on. any chance you think that might have happened here? there s always a chance of that happening. we really won t know until we find the black boxes which probably will be fairly soon. then we ll know. these kinds of things have happened before. we had an a-320 that was owned by air new zealand that crashed several years ago because of some of the instrumentation that froze due to water in it. that could have happ