another way at her backup success at hp. mark, i don t know that we accept the answer. bankrupt. he legally filed four times for corporate bankruptcy. but 30,000 jobs weren t lost as a result. yes thousands of jobs were lost closing the casinos. do you think we re pushing fiorina harder on that front than trump? i think people are pushing carly fiorina on this point because they don t like corporate america. donald trump has been able to be a reality tv star that s a billionaire and separate himself in a different way. people don t look at him as a ceo. they look at him as a multibillionaire, a mogul. whereas he is a ceo. they don t like companies and corporations because somehow they feel like they always get rich and other people get hurt. but i also think carly fiorina has been very smart in her