i ve given back gifts, everything i think we did was compliant with the law, chuck, to the degree that i undermine trust in people, i have apologized. i think i would do some things differently. i think we need to change some of the ethics rules in virginia to provide more clarity and certainty for donors and office holders alike. joining me live, nbc news senior political editor mark murray. you had some people confused that, first, this was legal under virginia law, which it apparently s but now that the feds can come in and investigate and perhaps even eventually charge the governor and his wife here. tamron, my biggest takeaway from that entire washington post piece wasn t whether bob mcdonald would be indicted but when. one of the reasons had to do with the timing that one of the arguments bob mcdonald s legal team made. if there are going to be any kind of charges like this, let s do it when the governor is out