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i it s worth pointing out we had estimated there are 12,000 journalists, 1,500 of whom are women in afghanistan. so those who did get out are just a tiny percentage of people who are at grave risk now. the big, broad question i have for both of you, and azmat, i ll start with you, how will the world know what happens in afghanistan in the coming months? i think this will really come down to what kind of leverage and engagement there is with the taliban. remember, the taliban has been making promises, saying they re going to respect journalists. i think it s up to organizations and governments to really hold them to those promises and to use the different kinds of leverage they have to ensure that they stick to them. now, i would also caution that the situation in kabul is going to be different than other parts of the country. so there are major news organizations like tolonews who have, you know, senior heads
and azmat zahra. azmat, what have you heard? have many left afghanistan at this point? most of the journalists being evacuated are journalists who lived in kabul, so people in some of the more rural places like kandahar, elsewhere, have been having trouble. they also oftentimes don t have the paperwork and documentation ready that made it easy for them to enter the airport. for example, many friends of my own, we could get people on a flight manifest. we could get them a seat. we could put them in a convoy. we could prepare the documents that they needed, and they would approach the airport and get turned around. and this was happening repeatedly over the last week. some of them have made it through. others now it looks like their