far more than any other president. look at comparison to obama, who in the same period told about 1/20th as many lies. over obama s whole first term, looked at that. record is pretty flat. second term, times caught six more lies. when you look at that chart, what you see is something that s a total historical aberration and doesn t show signs of letting up. think about the picture this paints from the new york times today, very stark. level of lying appears to now be a test for journalists and citizens alike. what happens when lies that used to be news risk becoming normalized background noise? joined by cnbc editor at large john harwood, wall street journal s shelby holliday. two journalists struggling