presidential debate now, just four days away, that is the live countdown clock. the first major showdown between incumbent president joe biden and former the president donald trump, since 2020, and the earliest general election debate in us history. now the two candidates are preparing in very different ways, trump taking a less conventional approach, meeting with potential running mate s and hitting the campaign trail where he s again been mocking the man. he ll be facing off against right now, crooked joe s gone to a log cabin to study, prepare. no, he didn t do his sleeping now because they want to get them good and strong so a little before debate time, he gets a shot. i say he ll come out all jacked up, right. all jacked obviously, no basis for that. but meanwhile, biden is currently at camp david with a close team of advisers poring over possible questions, holding mock debates, and focusing on how to best frame trump as unfit for office. cnn senior white house re
asked them to get help. winners came by. where she went after that, i have no idea. i found a 45-year-old kid under one of the ladies that was laid on top of him. got him around the corner so he would be out of the carnage. there was nothing else i could do. the others were too far gone. i ll just be honest with you, there is, when you get hit with automatic weapon fire close range, there s no opportunity for survival. there were a couple of people who were still alive that i put in the first police car that showed up, took the key. the second police car showed up, put another victim in there. we finally got some ambulances there. we loaded up the ambulances. they started clearing the stores. my son was an agent, and he walked past me, through the crime scene, passed the bodies. i was able to get some sheets to cover them so people wouldn t see them. i hope no one has to see her experience you don t we have the shooting in uvalde, we often wonder what
treatment, to food and medical care. joining us now from lviv ukraine is nbc s jay gray. jay, great to see you this morning. according to the united nations, more than 1 thousand civilian bodies have been recovered in and around the capital of kyiv so far. what more do we know and are there expectations that even more bodies will be found? reporter: a horrible report coming from local police in the area, and unfortunately, jonathan, yes, they do believe that there may be more victims. they now say the bodies of nearly 1,300 civilians have been uncovered in the region, most killed by automatic weapon fire, the latest victims, two men yesterday who stepped on a mine that they say was left behind by russian troops in the region. we also know that they continue to do sweeps in that region and it is during those sweeps,
the world on law enforcement matters were calling for gun control while the tragedy was unfolding. it took me aback because our political discourse people take away a lot of points for making a case on any side. but it s stunning that law enforcement seems to be saying enough as well. we re finally hearing the professionals who carry guns for a living saying there are too many guns and the wrong kinds of guns in the wrong hands. i think, nicolle, what really is at the heart of that is the assault rifle component here. if you talk to any law enforcement officer, active duty police officer today, and ask them what it s like to pullover a car on the night shift when they know they might be facing automatic weapon fire, they ll tell you they re outgunned. peek into that patrol car in most major cities tonight, you ll see shotguns, you ll see machine guns, and that s why this whole issue of arming
two days or so that it was the bump stock in las vegas. whether or not this was just a lot of rounds which people on scene could have confused for automatic weapon fire or simply somebody with a semi-automatic rifle. we don t know if there was more than one weapon. we don t. what makes this so tragic is the fact that inside a church people, similar to what happened in vegas where people were watching the country concert or something here where you have four walls and somebody armed with weaponry that they are able to take lots of lives in short order and people can t get out and get away from the fire quickly enough. we know the attacker apparently did leave the church because there was some kind of a chase. hoping to learn more details about the that chase. what do you make of the fact the suspect took off?