enshrined in michigan and right not to have to pay union duce is ensidelined and that is it a good thing. gretchen: to me, it is it the most important state that this has happened in because the autoindustry is such a hunal part of the economy there and the union is so strong there. do you agree with that? absolutely it is the home of the autoindustry union and the idea that michigan should revert to being a right to work state, that is it a revolution in the labor market. steve: we heard in the run up to the election, while the gm autoworkers wound up keeping their pensions and benefits, it was 20,000 people who worked for delta, the autoparts company. nonunion employees lost their pensions. they were destroid.
good jobs. steve: so the union saved the autoindustry . stewart varny said facts show. who was it. that statement was nonsense. that was sheer nonsense. the unions did not save detroit, taxpayers put in $60 billion . have their pension and health fund bailed out and the unions had a piece of detroit dirt cheap and bond holders were virtually destroyed and stock holders destroyed and the taxpayer has not got their money back. gretchen: and businesses that were privately owned were taken away. the unions got the long end of the stick. it is it a absolute myth to suggest that the unions saved detroit. it is the other way around. the taxpayer saved detroit, and still the taxpayer hasn t
he said michigan will be attracting a lot more business. brian: it was already on the come back trail . they looked in michigan at wisconsin and dine doin. the republican governors took a hit. but when the economy turns around in their state, their approval rating goes up and that s what jeb bush is saying real leadership. gretchen: a lot of protestors in michigan and in wisconsin as well . people for the most part don t like change. we feel comfortable in our lives and if you are in a union and doing well and look forward to your pension, why would you want that to change, you don t. that s why people come out and protest. the problem i have is not the freedom of speech, it is it the violent aspect that ends out where there is supposed to be tolerance and it often doesn t work that way.
steve: carved out. brian: carved out of this right to work movement. that s a little different. but andy was talking about the general manufacturing in the big picture. look, unions aren t illegal. you can check a box and be a member of a union. gretchen: that s all about choice. think the message behind it s a wonderful life is outdated? proof the christmas spirit is still alive even in black and white coming up. steve: the richest man in town. and washington s got a new plan to bail out college kids. automatic withdrawals from their bank accounts. is that a good idea to pay off student debt? the law maker behind the proposal joins us live as we roll on live from new york city. brian: he s pro-garnish. scientists say that they have found evidence of cheese being made 7,500 years ago. isn t that amazing. 7500 years ago. yeah. the evidence was found in a 7-11 nacho bar. [ laughter ] the capital one cash rewards card
delphi employees took a huge hair cut. value of the pensions dropped in half. they were shoved out of the door. steve: had they been in the union it would be different. brian: stewart varny, coming up 9:twint. i hope you are ready. born ready. brian: fiendish answer. can i go? steve: yes, you k. gretchen: you are saved by my headlines. thank you. gretchen: an intern for bob men endez busted for being in the country illegally. the 18 year old is a registered sex offender. he is from peru and in the u.s. on an expired visa. the intern clearly tried to deceive the santor. brian: this next story is crazy. steve: justin beiber the