i agree with you. let me wrap up if i might. courtesy of nbc s first read, a reminder of how early we really have in the 2016 race. at this point in the 08 cycle, august of 2005, this was the state of play. on the republican side, senator george allen was considered at least the cofront-runner for the nomination. here he is on the cover of the national review with the headline his future is now, and the first string presidential talent out of virginia. a year later he lost his bid for re-election. hillary clinton was seen as the overwhelming favorite on the democratic side. as for eventual winner barack obama, he had been a senator for only seven months and wasn t viewed as a presidential contender. there you go. thank you, susan page. thank you, michael crowley. up next, the verdict in the racketeering and murder trial of whitey bulger. this is hardball, the place for politics. [ female announcer ] since 2001 caroline penry s used olay total effects.
and in that way, i think that that speech is more damaging than the appearance by donald trump. i agree with you. let me wrap up if i might. courtesy of nbc s first read, a reminder of how early we really have in the 2016 race. at this point in the 08 cycle, august of 2005, this was the state of play. on the republican side, senator george allen was considered at least the cofront-runner for the nomination. here he is on the cover of national review with the headline his future is now and the first string presidential talent out of virginia. a year later he lost his bid for re-election. hillary clinton was seen as the overwhelming favorite on the democratic side. as for eventual winner barack obama, he had been a senator for only seven months and wasn t viewed as a presidential contender. there you go. thank you, susan page. thank you, michael crowley. up next, the verdict in the racketeering and murder trial of widety bulger.
the texas senator ted cruz, this was his second trip to iowa in a month. he s scheduled to return again in the fall. he s going to be speaking at the iowa republican party s fall fund-raising dinner. is he tipping his hat to real political ambitions or just sort of raising his name recognition and bringing in more dollars? it s probably both. as i mentioned for joe biden, getting your na inting your nam spotlight, ted cruz has been doing that and more. he s going to go to new hampshire. he is all over the place. but i will repeat, again, it is very, very early. at this point in the 2008 cycle. august of 2005, hillary clinton was the clear front-runner. you had george al len was the co-front-runner on the republican side. so it is very early with still more than three years to go, peter. i want to get a sense, do you think it s very early with just kidding. let me ask you about
difficult for republicans to appeal to voters in the middle if you re going to win a presidential is election. and in that way, i think that that speech is more damaging than the appearance by donald trump. i agree with you. let me wrap up if i might. courtesy of nbc s first read, a reminder of how early we are in the 2016 race. at this point in the 08 cycle, august of 2005, this was the state of play. senator george allen was considered at least the cofront-runner for the nomination. here he is with the headline his future is now, and first string presidential talent out of virginia. a year later he lost his bid for re-election. hillary clinton was seen as the overwhelming favorite on the democratic side. as for eventual winner barack obama, he had been a senator for only seven months and wasn t viewed as a presidential contender. there you go. thank you susan page, michael crowley. up next, the verdict in the
figure? yes. absolutely. i mean everyone has an opinion on: clint. and she has been over the years a polarizing figure. the left loves her but the right does not. i think her numbers are stronger than they were in 2008 but at the same time, republicans are already going after her. always mentioning benghazi. that will come up in the 2016 if hillary clinton sides to run. gregg: especially up famous testimony, what difference does it make how and why the americans were killed. she was the favorite in august of 2005. yes. gregg: same time right about now. but she lost, a lot of people said, mostly for tactical reasons but also, you know, a buy i about the name of barack obama came forward and i was a very compelling and charismatic figure. in a way, is that kind of her problem. she s a bit bland and