of a simpson-bowles plan comes out that deals with revenues, that deals with entitlements, that deals with spending cuts. we need to make this bipartisan. otherwise it will not work. neil: you are right on that what i notice about this, you are right there is enough blame do go around, but this president picked a debt commission and this president would left the co-chairman at the altar association to speak, and let him die on the vine. you know the power of the office and when you have both simpson and bowles saying they could have used him and they were disappointed in him, what? guest: if the president had gone and said, i m with you guys, you need to have some kind of republicans. neil: but he is on record as saying, i m for, even the stuff that hurts my party and he could call the republican s bluff. guest: he did, you remember