to sometimes there are few options as well. even if he pardons cohen, he could be forced to testify, because then he doesn t have a fifth amendment privilege. and we were talking about this in the green room. sk cohen could then try to refuse to testify, held in contempt and still goes to jail. so he s in a very clear spot. when we come back, as the president contemplates his pick for the supreme court, it will surprise no one watching whether the candidate looks the part. not cool. freezing away fat cells with coolsculpting? now that s cool! coolsculpting safely freezes and removes fat cells with little or no downtime. and no surgery. results and patient experience may vary.
which prosecutors say they are still reconstructing. michael avenatti was also there at the court, asking the judge to ask cohen s lawyers about leaks, but the judge refused, saying as of now, avenatti, who is representing stormy daniels, has no standing in this case. we now have what i will refer to as the trump tapes. mr. ryan admitted that there are audio recordings that michael cohen was taking for years and that those recordings are to quote him, not only do they exist, but they are under lock and key and some of them relate to my client and her attorney/client privilege communications. nbc news investigations reporter tom winter was in that court for that hearing. what is avenatti talking about? what tapes? so, katy, we first started to hearing about these tapes last week. and michael avenatti said that he believed that there were audio recordings that were
defense on all of this was expected to be attorney/client privilege and my understanding is the files were seized from k cohen s either office or home who both that are client files that relate to trump. maggie haberman, appreciate it. thanks very much. back now with the panel. in terms of if the president did decide to move against robert mueller, can you just explain how that would be done? because he wovuldn t be able to directly fire robert mueller. no. i think what all of us suspect is he would try to fire first the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. rod rosenstein. then someone else would come into that spot. either i think it s the office of legal counsel head associate attorney general first then the head of the legal counsel. and then expect that person would actually fire mueller because mueller reports not to the attorney general, but right now to the deputy attorney general so it s not where the president would directly fire mueller but the president would