i said hello briefly in cleveland, so that was nothing. eric: everything over in russia was incidental? less than incidental. eric: what about the russian banker that you knew in new york? there was his case against a few operatives that were here, and i happen to know one of the diplomats that was based here, and that i deal with diplomats all the time at the u.n., et cetera. eric: expand on that a little bit, so you bump into them in what capacity? in this example, one of my business partners from asia was speaking at asian society on park avenue. i happen to say hello to him and we struck up a little dialogue and i met him once for coffee, offered him some ideas, that was about it. eric: what time frame was this? this was 2013.