so people can t see what they are doing. and they had a hard time defending it. chief justice roberts pinned them down that sometimes it means discriminating by race, and i think they don t really have an intellectual defense of it. and so i hope it goes. it is very unconstitutional. it gets us into all sorts of things. justice roberts, the chief justice, has referred to the sordid business of dividing us by race in other cases. i hope he takes that seriously and i hope they act. they seem very skeptical of harvard and north carolina s case yesterday. dana: it is could be an earthquake, right, if they decide to do this, then maybe there is a movement forward. i read this morning somebody from an asian american group said one of the outcomes of this should be that everyone across the board improves k-12