its eastern plank in the event of further russian aggression against ukraine. all of these things, to make clear to russia, the costs and consequences of its potential actions. we think that s the best and most effect yive way to convinc russia not to engage in further aggression against ukraine. ukraine is a very valued partner of the united states and other countries in europe as well, but our article v commitment extends to nato allies, something that we are deeply committed to. ukraine is not a member of nato. it s not covered by the article v commitment, but a determination to do everything we can to defend it and to prevent or to deter aggression
changed his behavior so far. more consequential has been the resistance that ukrainians have offered to russian military forces but if it doesn t change his behavior immediately, the idea is to punish and keep escalating the cost on russia to deter it down the road. the one thing that the president underscored in those remarks is he talked about the article v commitment under nato that only applies to military, so he was implicitly redrawing that line saying that the united states is not going to commit military force to ukraine. that is the line to watch as we go further and as economic deterrence fails, the question is going to be what becomes of that military line and its possibility of deterring putin. absolutely. john, thank you very much. catherine, great to see you. thank you for being here. coming up for us, more than 2 million ukrainians fled their homes. president biden was talking about the refugee crisis just
stopped in 2002. maybe you saw the behind the music with oasis. they had subtitles on the two gallagher brothers. you couldn t understand a thing they were saying. frame of reference for oasis is that saturday night live sketch where the two brothers were fighting. i think that was the 90s. that s about where i trail off. that s where you ended. richard, you ve been wanting to talk for three sets and you don t have to talk about oasis. or blur. or the channel. have you been listening to the beatles on it s what the world needs now. please, richard, take it. what an amazing documentary. i want to talk about one story in politico. the president s speech where, in europe, he didn t mention the article v commitment. what was so interesting was the draft of the speech had it in it. at the last minute the draft was changed. this is a recipe for disaster.