bundy as a domestic terrorist and so on. look. i think they re incredibly difficult to stop. i think as the introductory segment showed pretty clearly, about the only place this could have been stopped was with the woman who had heard them discuss at home their plans. they were going underground and so on. the revolution had started. you know, i looked at a lot of postings by the millers and particular jared miller and he did have some cryptic last words on saturday, the day before the shooting began. but i don t think it s anything that could have tipped law enforcement to, you know, he said sort of the dawn of a new day. wondering whether it s worth the sacrifice. but it never gets into any detail and i think the sad reality is there are tens of thousands of people who believe things just like the millers believed and some percentage of those people are going to act on those beliefs. i d like to add one point to what arno said which i think that he made a good point which is that it
begun, the first battle had been a great and successful one. and now was the time to strike. you know, it really is remarkable that they re now these reports of taking over a courthouse and so on because we did see that very same situation in atlanta on friday of last week when another gunman also from the patriot movement apparently tried to do very same thing. arno, do you agree with what mark is saying is anti-government rhetoric of bundy and the supporters is essential and essential ingredient in this attack? yeah. absolutely. basically what we re talking about is cultivation of fear. you need to have an environment of constant fear to drive people to the point where they commit an atrocity like what happened in las vegas or like what happened in oak creek, wisconsin, august 5th, 2012. if you look at any mass shooting, in any kind of violence, this narrative of fear
political mainstream who aided and abetted the bundys and people like them. the governor of nevada. the congressman that came out and said bundy s a great guy fighting to defend the constitution. that was never true. but these politicians were perfectly willing to pander to the right wing elements of the base and they were sorry in the end. mark, i appreciate you being on. mark potok and arno mckayless, thanks so much. the shooter last week in seattle, says he heard voices in his head and to many, many others who never hurt anyone and remarkable researcher who you meet after the break. she is living with the voices for much of her life with schizophrenia and designed an exercise in empathy and i recently tried. just go here. the challenge then 45 minutes trying to think, talk and deal with others while hearing voices in your head. the results of my interview with
prove this definitively, it seems very likely that the millers felt that the war had begun, the first battle had been a great and successful one. and now was the time to strike. you know, it really is remarkable that they re now these reports of them talking about taking over a courthouse and so on because we did see that very same situation in atlanta on friday of last week, when another gunman, also from the patriot movement apparently tried to do the very same thing. arno, do you agree with what mark is saying is anti-government rhetoric of bundy and his supporters and what they promoted was an essential ingredient in this attack? yeah. absolutely. basically what we re talking about is cultivation of fear. you need to have an environment of constant fear to drive people to the point where they commit an atrocity like what happened in las vegas or like what happened in oak creek, wisconsin, august 5th, 2012. if you look at any mass shooting, in any kind of
bundies or the militia movement but it is the politicians in the political main stream who aided and abetted the bundys and people like them. the governor of nevada. the congressman that came out and said bundy s a great guy fighting to defend the constitution. that was never true. but these politicians were perfectly willing to pander to the right wing elements of the base and they were sorry in the end. mark, i appreciate you being on. mark potok and arno mckayless, thanks so much. the killing seems primarily driven like ideology. the shooter last week in seattle, says he heard voices in his head and to many, many others who never hurt anyone and remarkable researcher who you meet after the break. she is living with the voices for much of her life with schizophrenia and designed an exercise in empathy and i recently tried. just go here. the challenge, spend 45