themselves, i can t believe there s somebody up in the tree with a glock. how does that even happen? how does that happen? the guy in the on capitol hill. the guy in the tree with the ar. there s that. yeah. the glocks were by the port-a-pots. i just want to be accurate in my armed trump supporter descriptions. yes, absolutely. because we didn t get there yet, i just want to put this out there. i don t know that the committee has sought any communications or texts from mr. ratcliffe, but here s what cassidy hutchinson told us his concerns were heading into january 6th. my understanding was mr. rat director ratcliffe didn t want much to do with the post-election period. director ratcliffe felt that it wasn t something that the white house should be pursuing. he was concerned that it could spiral out of control and
single one of them would be looked at as the criminal act themselves and it gives the public a greater sense of how determined trump was to overturn the election and how far he was going to push his own behavior on his own people just looking at cassidy hutchinson s description of what goes on inside of the car is one example. so not everything is going to be a building block for a criminal case. this is a congressional investigation that s trying to inform its own body about whether it needs to bring legislation. it s also trying to expose as many facts as possible about what happened. pompeo was not, as long as i know of involve in the efforts of states and he was secretary of state and his sense of trump and how concerned he was and coming from someone like him who was a trump loyalist will go
reputation in the trump years. garland never considered on trump from the outset as they had done with trump and mrs. clinton during her email investigation people close to him say. as a result, his investigators have taken a more methodical approach, carefully climbing up the chain of personnel behind the 2020 plan to name fake slates of battleground electors that had been won by joe biden that has led them to trump and his innermost circle. brand-new reporting on the thoughtful approach of investigating the twice-impeached president is where we start this hour. in s nbc contributor betsy woodruff swann is back and mike schmit, washington correspondent and msnbc national security contributor and dan goldman is here to keep us honest, former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york and the
department s probe was securing cassidy hutchinson s cooperation and broadcasting it publicly in full. yeah. it seems given the time line and what s known about the time line of the justice department reaching out to hutchinson, it s not crazy to think that it would have taken doj much longer to reach her if they reached her at all had the select committee investigation not happened. there s just no question whatsoever that their broadcasting of her testimony had a big impact in addition to securing her full cooperation was also was not a foregone conclusion. in addition to that, i think, we also have to keep in mind when it comes to this time line is that the select committee and doj seemed to have been starting in opposite places and not necessarily a bad thing, but there is a bit of an inversion here from day one that they were interested in trump himself.
during the trump years and mueller wasn t political. what was political was attorney general barr s decision to smear it and make sure it never saw the light of day. jeff berman at fdny seemed to not be influenced by politics and what was political was the man at the top and he s gone. does this feel like an overcorrection and learning the right lessons or was this what what he should have done in. i also dispute the notion that the mueller investigation originated as an investigation with trump. it didn t. it ultimately rose to whether trump and the campaign were involved and it started with lower-level staffers and it wasn t just bill barr. it was donald trump himself who pardoned michael flynn and pardoned michael stone and pardoned steve bannon.