that would have been my more desperate. right. you did the war logs and the war diaries dump. mm hm. and then you then released all of these diplomatic cables. right. ..which had different kinds of information, secret, confidential information involving the us government s contacts with individuals on the ground. yes. ..in a whole host of countries. just to take one small example, but not small to the individual involved, an ethiopian journalist, reporter argaw ashine, was forced to flee the country because he was named in a us cable and he believed it put his life in immediate danger. he had to flee, leave his homeland and, again, wouldn t have happened had you not taken your decision to leak. again, you know, you re talking about situations that i m not familiar with, that weren t brought before a court martial. but that s the point. you weren t familiar with them because there s no way you could have gone through the information. you just, to use the word again, dumped it, and after
i was in a position where if i didn t have a publisher of last resort because i was struggling with the new york times, i was struggling with the washington post. the washington post was the one that i really wanted to get to and the one that i had the most, sort of, interaction with then i was going to use some other tool like bittorrent or something like that, to post this information, which would have been. that would have been my even more of a last resort. that would have been my more desperate. right, you did the war logs and the war diaries dump. mm hm. and then you then released all of these diplomatic cables. right. ..which had different kinds of information, secret confidential information involving the us government s contacts with individuals on the ground. yes. ..in a whole host of countries. just to take one small example, but not small to the individual involved, an ethiopianjournalist, reporter argaw ashine, was forced to flee the country because he was named in a u
there s no question that he s a journalist, but he is being accused of conspiring with a source. and what does that mean? well, he spoke to his source and if that is a crime, then everyjournalist, at least those that speak to sources, are now exposed to being prosecuted and put in prison. you did the war logs and the war diaries dump, and then you then released all of these diplomatic cables, which had different kinds of information secret, confidential information, involving the us government s contacts with individuals on the ground in a whole host of countries. just to take one small example, but not small to the individual involved, an ethiopianjournalist, reporter argaw ashine was forced to flee the country because he was named in a us cable and he believed it put his life in immediate danger. he had to flee, leave his homeland, and again, wouldn t have happened had you not taken your decision to leak. again, you know, you re talking about situations that i m not familiar wi
and that appears to be established by the computer records. that s not the timeline that i m familiar with, so i recall the upload coming up injanuary. but the first time that i ever uploaded anything or released anything was injanuary. right. well, yes, that s when you actually released things, i m talking about the initial contact, but. i don t know. let s not quibble about a few weeks because it doesn t really actually matter that much. i think the timeline. i think it matters because like i had some time to settle into my role. i had time to to to really learn things and experience things. so what was it that motivated you to cross that most fundamental line, in essence, to steal secrets and send them notjust to anybody but to wikileaks, where you knew they would be exposed to the whole world? well, i mean, i tried to reach out to the new york times in the washington post as well. one of the things that i envisioned was a sort of a physical handoff to like a journalist
if they were not available, i would have uploaded this information separately. i was in a position where if i didn t have a publisher of last resort, because i was struggling with the new york times, i was struggling with the washington post the washington post was the one that i really wanted to get to and the one that i had the most sort of interaction with then i was going to use some other tool like bittorrent or something like that, to post this information, which would have been. that would have been my even more of a last resort. that would have been my more desperate. right. you did the war logs and the war diaries dump and then you then released all of these diplomatic cables, which had different kinds of information, secret confidential information involving the us government s contacts with individuals on the ground and a whole host of countries. just to take one small example, but not small to the individual involved, an ethiopian journalist, reporter argaw ashine, was