that devoted trump base every day, and in the week after january 6th even trump s most devoted base was back on their heels, and they were disappointed and angry and questioning trump, and then over time that was all corrected. the other thing, alisyn, that i m hearing is from his devoted base they re not disappointed in his behavior that s coming out during these hearings. what they re telling me is, oh, all of this stuff is going to make it harder for trump to win in 2024. that s, i think, what s moving them for now away from trump. now, that s the base. rena, let me ask you about the republican members of congress who, as we said at the top are privately stunned. they re gobsmacked in their offices behind closed doors. do you see anything? did you hear anything that would suggest, rena, that they re going to come out and put some
an obsessive-compulsive cult like rage against donald trump. joe, doesn t sean want to pivot to a winner at some point? alisyn, with all due respect, there s nothing confusing about sean hannity. look, he s a fraud, and he is a trump cheerleader, and he ll be that way i mean, alisyn, hannity would be the last person on the trump boat. the other thing that just drives me crazy, and victor, you nailed it, these republican members of congress who are privately stunned, privately. i m so sick of the privately. i think most of them, alisyn, will move to a winner, but we re nowhere near that yet. donald trump is still the prohibitive nominee of this party. rena, i want to touch on something you mentioned there about trying to get mark meadows
podcast and rena shaw, she s a republican strategist and a senior adviser for the republican women for progress. great to see both of you. congressman, you know, there s always a question of what will move the needle with, you know, trump s very, very devoted base and there was one data point that i found interesting today, and that was the washington examiner, this conservative outlet as you know. it has all sorts of well-known contributors that appear on fox regularly, and here was their editorial today. former white house aide cassidy hutchinson s tuesday testimony ought to ring the death knell for former president donald trump s political career. trump is unfit to be anywhere near power ever again. what do you think changed yesterday, if anything? alisyn, i think it s cumulative. i think these hearings are hurting trump. the question is how deep and for how long, and i d remind everybody in the week after january 6th, i m in a unique position because i hear from
president biden was rightfully elected to the white house. more than two-thirds of republicans are not worried about climate change. when that is the current gop base you are trying to curry favor with, it is understandable you cannot find someone to participate on top issues of the day on daytime television. it is long past time that we have to accept we don t have normal political parties or movements in the country in 2022. one is no longer committed to democracy or reality. joining me now is rena shaw. the former staffer and adviser at the new initiative. happy new year. is there, in your view, a politician or pundit in america today, who has the credibility and popularity with the gop base, but isn t a conspirasist
wants this. he doesn t want to part with this because he wants to call into question how other people spend his money. i think that s the bottom line. i m a little scared for it to go there. i think right now it s on hold. i hope good people do step forward and say let s invest something here because this is a tremendous ask and it incumbent upon all of us to care about a very basic need of humanity, which is hunger. it seems like it s semantics with elon musk. there s no question that $6 billion would do a hell of a lot of good to help with world hunger. you want to criticize the u.n., it s bureaucratic, not the most transparent but you could go out there with $6 billion and do a lot of good to fight world hunger. it seems he was more about trolling the u.n. food program to try and get more likes on line like rena was saying. 100% he doesn t want to part with the money. he s making this little back and