idea, or something that s morally unkooth, but for some that they get in legal trouble and in the cassidy hutchins testimony where cassidy, if you allow the following things to happen, we will be hit by criminal charges for so many things and we could be in trouble here. so they re going to want to know why with conversation with the president with chief of staff, mark meadows and keep in mind that the executive privilege covers a lot of conversations, it doesn t cover conversations that are crimes. right. right. the whole sort of unveiling, michael steel of what was going on in the west wing while donald trump was president is worse than any of us thought it was and the degree to which they invoked criminality is really one of the more shocking and underreported aspects of the public hearings. here s mr. cipollone s deputy,
6th. and i think, lastly, it s really important to remember that it s not just cassidy hutchinson that has mentioned pat cipollone as a fly on the wall in these conversations. it s people like rich donoghue, jared kushner, as we discussed yesterday, people who said he was there for important moments. jared kushner called him a wimp for threatening to resign and threatening that the white house counsel s office would resign if trump did certain things, and rich donoghue also described him as, really, one of the only firewalls actually in the west wing to the former president s actions. you know, barbara mcquade, before him, don mcgahn was a witness to donald trump s actions and was so concerned about what he saw that he had a note taker. he had a chief of staff. and ultimately, robert mueller got ahold of don mcgahn to the tune of, i think, 20 to 30 hours of testimony. mcgahn is the key narrator of volume two of the mueller report
the chair and vice chair announce the schedule, but obviously there s so much information coming in still, and so you know, we re trying to fly the plane while building the plane to some extent. yes. and we want to make sure that we have a full and complete report and hearing, and so, that s those are the issues and all the balls in the air. is part of that when we see reports of the possibility of public hearings extending into august, these aren t things that you know and are keeping secret. are these active deliberations about what to do and how long to continue? again, i you know, i m not going to make announcements on behalf of the chair and vice chair, that s the role that they re assigned by our committee structure. our mission is to tell the complete story as best we can find it out to the american public and then make recommendations on various legislative changes that we
included eight hours of testimony from former white house counsel pat cipollone. thank you very much. you bet. take care. thank you. all right. we have to sneak in a quick break. we re going to come back and talk to barbara mcquade about what we just heard from congresswoman zoe lofgren but first that warning from president joe biden about the supreme court s decision to overturn roe vs. wade and the actions he s taking to protect women and abortion rights in america. stay with us. e and the actions he s taking to when you have technology that s easier to control. that can scale across all your clouds. we got that right? yeah, we got that. it s easier to be an innovator. so you can do more incredible things. [whistling] women and abortion rights in america. stay with us