gordon sondland tell ukrain directly that there needed to be these investigations, there is no kbi ambi gui ty. on that phone call, the president asked president zelensky to arrange those investigations and also look into the 2016 elections. he did not include that ask for those investigation, and as we know, the president brought it up, anyway. john? so vindman said it was a demand in the allegations. fiona hill also served on the national security council. kylie, what did she say about the same meeting? fiona hill describes that july 10 meeting we ve put so much focus on, and she describes what was said by ambassador sondland to the ukranians. she said, quote, as i came in,
was no area to push for these investigations, it was not appropriate. we ll get more details exactly how that went down, exactly what the president was saying to his top associates and exactly what fiona hill was raising, too. we do know already, john, from what we have heard that she raised serious concerns about giuliani s efforts. she said that john bolton, the former national security adviser, also raised concerns about what sondland was up to. the question, too, is will the democrats bring these two witnesses forward for public hearings? we already know three are coming next week. we ll see if these two come forward as well because it s the consistent theme we re seeing all along on what will happen pushing for ukraine which was outside normal diplomatic efforts and raised serious concerns at the highest levels of the u.s. government. john? manu raju on the hill when we
that could abbe a challenge for him. he could appeal to independents and moderates in these battle states. they look at cory booker and biden and they don t think anyone would do it should biden come down. let s go straight up to cnn s manu raju. manu, are fiona hill and vindman now out? reporter: yes, we were going through them. they re several hundred pages each. we also have more of what they said based on opening statements we ev we have obtained. there are concerns that have been raised by those these individuals that was led by rudy giuliani to push for investigations by ukraine and the ukraine government that could help the president
get deeper into these transcripts. the importance of these two as potential witnesses in the sense that fiona hill, very important. you may not know her, but she is meticulous, known as a russian hawk, not a never trumper. she may not be a trump republican, but she s a staffer known for taking very meticulous notes. she said her boss, john bolton, not idealogically in sync with the president. she sparred with the president but not a dishonest person. used the word drug deal to describe what was going on, this ukraine policy going on and told her it was fine with him that she recommend that they report this to an attorney so it could be put on the record. alex vindman, a war hero, purple
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