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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220103 06:29:00

and that s basically when she left. that very day, mary ann moved into janos one-bedroom apartment, leaving home and kids and, of course, archie. he still loved my mom. after she left. he wouldn t let me say anything negative. she s still your mother. she s still my wife. perhaps archie understood the human heart after all. it took a year or so, but mary ann s ardor began to cool in that cheap little apartment. the interest she had in being chased, that infatuation, that period rubbed off. after a period of time, it was she was certainly still passionately being chased by janos. but he just became a person with an apartment. archie had a pension, after all, savings, life insurance. mary ann was almost 50. did she worry also that janos was too young for her, that maybe his feelings would change?

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220103 06:05:00

i always looked up to my dad. my dad was a really soft-spoken, easy-going yet affable guy. here they were to the outside world, an old-fashioned family. inside, secretly, something seething. it was almost christmas 1985. 5:30 a.m. archie started work early. so did gary, who was just 20 years old then. he had come into my room and he said, hey, gary, i m going to be leaving now, so make sure you get up. i said, okay, no problem. thanks, dad, love you. see you. gary showered, dressed, headed outside into a cold, dark morning. it was then he saw something odd lying on the pavement. and as i got closer and closer, i started saying, wow, that looks like my dad. and when i finally got up and then realized it was my dad, i

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220103 06:53:00

and family-safe browsing gives parents one less thing to worry about. security, control and peace of mind. with xfinity xfi, it s all built in at no extra cost. june 2011, archie mcfarland had been dead more than 25 years. janos kulcsar was 60 now, just about the same age archie was when he was murdered. and as janos sat here in court, the prosecutor sought to find justice, much delayed, though, his case was very much circumstantial and didn t feature much new evidence. janos kulcsar woke up on december 19th, 1985, with a plan. this man decided, came to the conclusion that archie mcfarland

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220103 06:08:00

yes. and about then on that crisp december morning as gary and his mother stood shivering and sobbing over archie s bloody body, the shocking realization suddenly hit. i turned around and looked at my mom. i go, you know who did this. that son-of-a- i just i immediately knew. i just it was like, there s no doubt in my mind what happened. coming up, there was someone else who also seemed to know who the killer was. how could you do this? do you know what you ve done? you ve destroyed me. when dateline continues.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220103 06:27:00

cases, lewin who has served as an nbc news consultant on other cases, loves them. especially the riddles of cases gone cold. lewin called a regular partner, a veteran detective jim wallace. in almost every case there s something you can do. if nothing else, an opportunity to look at the evidence anew. and maybe see the thing that was missed. so wallace and lewin began by digging into the love triangle, by re-interviewing mary ann, asking about her relationship with both archie and janos, and about the events that preceded the murder. typically when these murders occur, behaviors start to fall apart. you see the behavior of the murderer become more and more aggressive and the murder occurs. so to the beginning, which was, of course, the love story or the betrayal, call it what you will. mary ann was, frankly, a little bored with archie. he loved her unreservedly. she knew that. but passion, excitement, not so

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