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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220103 06:48:00

he was there working on a flat-screen tv. he was trying to put things away in a certain position like he s coming back. it s not like you have to put them back. you re not coming back. word of the arrest spread fast. first to gary, who waited 25 years. completely 100% happy. after so much time goes by you think it s a foregone conclusion, it s over. everyone moves on with life. including, of course, mary ann who moved on with janos. didn t just go to him for a little while. in fact, spent the last 20-plus years with janos, the very same man she herself once accused of killing her husband. but as it turned out, janos was the only man in her life. ever since archie was murdered. she loves janos and she does not want to believe that he s the killer. n. the summer of 2011, 2 1/2

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220103 06:38:00

six days later he s dead. lewin and wallace now believe they had a motive, but that didn t mean janos did commit the murder either. they still needed something, anything, to connect him to the bloody crime scene. i knew there would always be a question about how does janos get away from this crime scene without getting any blood on him. if there s no piece at all that connects janos, i think there s lingering doubt. the doubt that might trip up a jury. so wallace took a long hard look at the original police report. i have a case where it s very visual. for me, everything comes down to, can i see it again? as wallace pored over the crime scene photographs, he would see that something was off, didn t make sense. archie had been stabbed four times. there was plenty of blood around. if janos did the stabbing, some of that blood must have wound up on him, on his clothes.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220103 06:35:00

the phone calls did not stop. mary ann mcfarland moved back home to archie, but her spurned lover janos kulcsar wouldn t move on. my dad is like, why does he keep calling? she s like, i don t know. the whole aura of this guy was that he wasn t accepting it. in fact, as the d.a. and the detective reviewed the evidence, they encountered a man who seemed obsessed, who first pleaded with mary ann, then began using language that sounded more threatening. i want you to come back to me kind of statements. and then you d better come back. she was afraid he would skin her alive. skin her alive? if she didn t come back to him. but janos wouldn t stop calling or even making threats over the phone to archie. and archie hung up on him. he called back immediately. you don t hang up on me.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220103 06:36:00

unless you call me back, i m going to get you. the next day janos showed up at the mcfarland s house carrying a small pouch. mary ann was in the shower. archie let him in. the two started talking. then mary ann entered the room. janos says, darling, come sit over by me. mary ann puts the hammer down and says, it s over. perhaps upset, janos went to the bathroom. mary ann was curious about that pouch he brought with him. took a look. inside, a loaded semiautomatic firearm. ready to go. and an extra magazine. janos later told mary ann that his plan, if she refused to come away with him was to go outside and kill himself with that gun. our theory was if you re planning on killing yourself in the front yard, you don t need to bring the gun into the house. you don t need to have an extra magazine with you. i believe that something much

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220103 06:30:00

eventually mary ann decides, you know what? this is stressful. i kind of miss my life. i don t have the security that i had. mary ann decides, i want to move back home. archie welcomed her back. forgiving as always. no resentment, no anger? he didn t show any. how is that possible? that was my dad. but across town in long beach, janos kulcsar wasn t so forgiving. he was fuming. janos truly loved her. love boring on obsession. unfortunately it takes two people to quit the relationship. and janos was just not going to accept it. and here in his little apartment, he prepared a secret plan to get her back. coming up, an old pair of pants reveals new secrets.

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