like that. the idea there would be bombs dropped with nuclear bombs. the idea we d be facing 9/11s every weekend. this was out of proportion to what we faced. of course it led to such excesses of waterboarding and torture. you know, i think the comment you just played from the aei speech which was eight years or so after 9/11 in which he said there are no half measure, all or nothing, shows the mindset. the world doesn t tend to work in all or nothing terms. i think what the president was doing yesterday, i liked the word you used at the beginning, chris, was putting this in perspective. everything in life is often a balancing act. you could have we could go even further on security measures at airports and elsewhere than we have gone so far if you want to try to have more security. but we have to balance that against freedom and liberties and civil liberties. and cheney was basically arguing apt at aei, you go all out or it