improved, eliminated, no. we should know who they are and make tweaks but to eliminate, it s not american and antiamerican to be antiimmigrant. heather: right, lili, doesn t it just have to happen once as kathy said, maybe look at some changes to this and put our security first? absolutely. this program is the loopholes of loopholes when it comes to immigration. i m a big believer of immigration. i m an immigrant myself but this one does not give entry based on any family ties or skill-based or merit, so why are we taking 50,000 of these visas and not reallocating them instead to the ph.d s that are not able to stay because there s a cap on immigration or other types of immigrants, we are trying to find a solution for dreamers right now. it makes absolutely no sense. i m actually glad that we are having this conversation so people understand that immigration is not only broken
from their desire to help donald trump or hurt hillary clinton, they wanted to hurt america. they wanted to play on these internal divisions with the country, aggravate them, grow the divisions wider. and this is why so much of their advertising, their organizing was centered around these divisive issues, these sort of antiimmigrant, anti-muslim issues designed to enflame the american public. julia you talked about vladimir putin s strategy, russia s strategy, it s actually fairly astute. if you can project power by creating a couple of million bots with basic programming that might bend the debate in one direction or another, that s a pretty good use of your resources if you re russia, right? well, there s a reason they call it asymmetric war fair. it s cheap.
the last election because some of the themes they have for differences is antiimmigrant, xenophobic, this is part of the social discourse in the country. in the last campaign when the president ran for office, he destroyed all the taboos. you want to be a bigot, our constitution allows you to be a bigot in your head, heart, home, but when you act it out, that s a consequence to pay. this breaks every taboo. there s no consequences. so the people in charlottesville, the bigots feel they are emboldened. it s okay now to publicly demonstrate. but now we have the cover of time magazine, the new cover, you see a person draped in an american flag doing the nazi salute. what would you tell the president? what would you advise him to bring unity? well, i ll tell ya, i would
backlash? when obama was elected there was a tremendous backlash by the radical right. trump jumped on the birther band wagon to delegitimatize the president. and there was a celebration. we saw it really across the country and it was the reason why there was a tremendous spike in anti-muslim and antiimmigrant hate crimes. many of them bearing trump s signature. the two fphenomenon are related. it is sort of a triade. when he said islam hates us, and thousands of muslims cheered at 9/11, which rudy giuliani has was not true, you look at history, it tells us they re going to be emboldened.
point that the economy is basically demographics plus productivi productivity. but productivity has been stagnant. i think there is a big debate about whether we re going into a productivity boom and whether that s going to create jobs. the number of jobs they are creating is going down. at the same time our democratics are not great. the antiimmigrant sentiment is also not hepping that. at the end of the day, growth is two things, the number of people working and how productive they r. neither of those things are going up right now. nobody outside the trump administration thinks that growth is going to be above 2% any time soon. we have record low numbers of people in the workforce. we actually have a pretty good labor force that need workers. the problem is we have had a record low number of people who aren t working age that are working. that s why i love the trump budget where mulvaney said we re