tucker: america is plagued by the specter of fascism and violence, and in an ironic twist, they call themselves call themselves antifascists, antifa. whenever conservatives want to speak on campus, antifa groups are a reliable presence and they try to stamp out free-speech with vigilante violence with which they justifies a form of self-defense. a professor at john jay college of criminal justice. he founded a antifa group. professor, thank you for coming on. thank you for having me. tucker: your position, tell me if i have this, people are defined as fascists do not have free-speech rights. my position is that communities have the right to defend themselves against groups that actively seek to eliminate members of that community. tucker: to defend themselves against violence yes. tucker: but physical violence? talking about a group that has a history tucker: are we going are we going to pretend were
roots of fascism so that we can understand if we are having a precious moment on what antifascism is. one thing i see quite a bit is a deflation of antifa and antifascist and anarchists. anarchists and antifascists are different political philosophies. anarchists don t believe in order. they are out there doing street violence. they, maybe they are being incited, we could talk about the free speech issues with that, but being antifascist means that you don t support a totalitarian government that bases crushes loyalty on the basis of tucker: that is what is so silly about this. whatever you think of the administration, they are not crushing opposition, in fact, opposition has grown in a way that we have not seen in my lifetime in this country. if it is a fascist government, a fascist movement, they bring about a drop of it, are they? i think there has been an
understand if we are having a precious moment on what antifascism is. one thing i see quite a bit is a deflation of antifa and antifascist and anarchists. anarchists and antifascists are different political philosophies. anarchists don t believe in order. they are out there doing street violence. they, maybe they are being incited, we could talk about the free speech issues with that, but being antifascist means that you don t support a totalitarian government that bases crushes loyalty on the basis of tucker: that is what is so silly about this. whatever you think of the administration, they are not crushing opposition, in fact, opposition has grown in a way that we have not seen in my lifetime in this country. if it is a fascist government, a fascist movement, they bring about a drop of it, are they? i think there has been an
increase in hate crimes and hate speech toward different groups that you mention since the election. it s pretty well documented by both the fbi and the southern poverty law center. tucker: whatever. the southern poverty law center. you know what? if you are going to i am a professor and you cite the southern poverty law center, that is so self discrediting, i don t know what to say to that. you can replicate it as a social scientist, you can replicate their research. they put it out there tucker: it s not research. as political propaganda. i read it every single day. it s like one guy s opinion working out as political beliefs. there is no scholarship or not. go to the website. if you think that scholarship i don t want to send my kids do her school. no offense. i m sorry. i think it s important to emphasize that most americans are antifascists. with the history of fighting fascism, the american military
antifascism is.ta one thing i see quite a bit is a conflation of antifa and antifascists and anarchists. anarchists and antifascists are different political philosophies. anarchists don t believe in order. they are out there doing street violence.. they, maybe they are being incited, we could talk about the free speech issues with that, but being antifascist means that you don t support a totalitarian government that bases crushes opposition on the basis of nationalistic racial identity. tucker: that is what is so silly about this. t whatever you think of the administration, they are not crushing opposition, in fact, opposition has grown in a way that we have not seen in my lifetime in this country. if it is a fascist government, a fascist movement, they are doing a bad job of it, are they?em i think there has been an increase in hate crimes and hate speech toward different groups