look, i think first of all the reference to the deep state, what we saw a few weeks ago is that the deep state he has been referring to are decades long public servants who have been trying to work on the national interests of the united states which the context which the trump administration wants. i ll fight you on that one because i do believe just because a bunch of smart people are over at the state department doing what they think is the best thing for the country isn t maybe what the president wants to do, and by the way, he s the one that runs foreign policy, not them. they want to address corruption. i understand in this particular case there is some crosscurrents here. but the idea that we re going defer to a group of state department people who because they ve been there a long time and are really smart are going to do the right thing for america? sorry, that s not their job. their job is to do what the president tells them. that s exactly what their job no, it isn
america? sorry, that s not their job. their job is to do what the president tells them. that s exactly what their job circumstances no, it isn t. thank you. up next, anti-putin activist garry kasparov who penned an article i live in the post soviet truth era and i hear it in president trump. we ll be right back. with advil liqui-gels, you have fast-acting power over pain, so the whole world looks different. the unbeatable strength and speed of advil liqui-gels. what pain? most people think of verizon as a reliable phone company. (woman) but to businesses, we re a reliable partner.
out about them which led to his exile in the united states. today there is an op-ed he wrote on cnn.com. it s fascinating. it s titled i lived in the post-truth soviet world and i hear its echoes in trump s america. kasparov writes, quote, donald trump and his republican defenders in congress have followed his lead in declaring war on observed reality. . he adds, unable to change the fact from trump and his supporters, instead tries to shift the debate into an alternate universe where the truth is whatever they say it. garry kasparov joins me now author of winter is coming by vladimir putin and the enemies of the world must be stopped. the cnn op-ed is really fascinating. there was an old joke growing up in the soviet union. there is no news in the truth and no truth in the news. name of the two biggest newspapers. of course. it s pretty chilling to hear somebody who experienced the soviet union for himself to see echoes of it now today in america. imagine what i think by
away from this? i think the idea is look at how russia works. one is to understand the regime that may be coming after us to, you know, refer back to malcolm and the discussion you were having just a second ago. but the other one is a kind of cautionary tale. and that s what viewers have told me they have taken away from the film. if we are not careful, we are heading in the direction of putin s russia. can people in the shadow of this or you think about bill browder s story, is there any effective way to stand up against putin? a lot of these groups have to leave the country because there is a target right in the middle of your head if you are a putin dissident in russia. that is true. but there are steerings of democracy in russia. you can see it in the recent moscow elections. huge demonstrations and when russian police started cracking down and throwing people in prison, there was a pushback, and there was a relaxation.
differently whether they are democrats or republicans. malcolm is the author of the plot to betray america. the book is out now. while we are discussing russian attacks on democracy, a new documentary takes a close look at one of the top disdents. he is a wealthy russian businessman who became one of the top figures of the anti-putin movement and the fight for human rights in russia. the film is called citizen k. take a look. [ speaking foreign language ]