and he has long known governor desantis also since governor desantis was at harvard law school and in the federalist society. and at this 2020 florida federalist convention, you know, saw there governor desantis introducing clarence thomas. afterward they go to a private dinner at the steakhouse. leonard leo told me, that s where those two men really got talking. you know, phil, they already were so aligned, the kinds of things clarence thomas is known for in the law, you know, anti-gay rights, anti-abortion rights, anti-press rights are certainly part of governor desantis state agenda and now his presidential campaign agenda. those two men probably would there was leonard leo helping to bring them together in early 2020. it is interesting to watch desantis try to out-trump trump when it comes to the supreme court when trump was so successful in getting three new